How can I get a^b_{c^d}?

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b d
for a^b_{c^d} (LaTeX) I tried "a^b!?c^d!!", but I get a .
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b c
For a^{b^c} (LaTeX) I tried "a^b^c!!", but I get a .

Is it possible to sub/superscribe recursively? How?

Best regards,
Ludger Janauschek

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